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Swami Ramsukhdas

|| Shri Hari ||

How to be Free of Attraction to the Fleeting and Perishing

(Vinaashi ka Aakarshan Kaise Mite?)

tvameva mata cha pita tvameva

tvameva bandhuscha sakha tvameva |

tvameva vidyaa dravinam tvameva

tvameva sarvam mama devadeva ||

Swami Ramsukhdas

|| Shri Hari ||

How to be Free of Attraction to the Fleeting and Perishing

(Vinaashi ka Aakarshan Kaise Mite?)

Question - Maharajji ! We hear, understand, and know and then too we become attracted to the fleeting (rising and perishing) objects and persons. How can we be freed from this attraction?

Answer - See, you have at least recognized this. Or else, nowadays this point is not even comprehended, that these things, objects, persons are fleeting (rising and perishing), and I "Self" am free from that which rises and perishes. Even recognizing this separation between the two is not an ordinary thing. People believe them (body and self) to be one. They do not know that I (self) is the kind to remain and these (body, mind etc.) are the kind to be fleeting, born and later die. "Kaamopabhogparama etaavaditi nischitaah" (Gita 16/11). Their aim and goal is only one of desires, passion and enjoying worldly sense pleasures. Brother! You have at least seen that these are the kind to arise and perish ! They do not stay with us, and we cannot stay with them, if we recognize this, then this is not a small accomplishment. If you see among ordinary people, then you will come to know. If you sit with educated people then you will see. You think about your condition. Just as when I first came to Anand Ashram, at that time there used to be Satsang talks in the morning. You all used to also come at that time. At that time what was your notion and what is it now?

Questioner - Maharajji, there is much difference now.

Swamiji - Much has changed now, isn't it ! Then there are two points in this, the first point is, since there is vast difference now, then surely you have benefited and surely you will benefit; but now become firm and unshaken that I only want to do this work. the second point is, one is not to become contented with that much progress, thinking that we have benefited. Rather, we have not progressed to the extent to which we should have progressed. Then we are attracted to fleeting objects, but we the self are not fleeting (born and dying). Body, mind, intellect, senses etc. all the things in nature, are the kind that are changing; but we the self are unchanging. You understand this point don't you! Grasp this point deeply within, you will surely gain immensely!

Pay attention to your sense of being, of existence - "I am". As viewed by the scriptures and saints that I existed before and in future too I will remain; because the fruits of actions performed in previous births have to be borne now, and the fruits of all the actions performed in this birth, will have to be borne in future births. Therefore the previous birth, the future birth and the present birth, all three births appear in front of us in our thoughts, and we remain in the same place in all three births. Then in fact, "I am eternal and this birth is not permanent" this point should be understood p

Now, we have to pay attention towards our sense of being, of existing that "What am I?". This existent element "I am" - my sense of being, is my true self (swaroop). At this time if you do not have a clear experience of this then too you understand that my sense of being (existing) is in waking state, dream state, and deep sleep state. There are three states - waking-dream-deep sleep". These states keep changing and "I" remain one in all the three states, there is no changes in the "self".

Just as there is "I-ness", which is ever changing, I am eating, I am sleeping, I am going, but my sense of being (existing) is one and the same only. In the deep sleep state that sense of I-ness merges into ignorance; however you the "self" remains. You have the knowledge of both the presence and absence of "I-ness". Right now there is presence of the "sense of I-ness", and in the deep sleep state there is absence of "sense of I-ness." Though there is absence of sense of I-ness, then too you (self) exists. Therefore your existence is independent of the "sense of I-ness." Sense of "I-ness" arises and subsides, but your existence never subsides, it remains at all times. When even your own existence is void of sense of I-ness, then where is the connection with the body? And when the body is also not with us, then how can the wife, son, family be with us? Then I (the self) am separate from them and they are all coming and going (rising and perishing). I know them, they are all within my sphere of knowledge. I (Self) have knowledge of their arising and perishing.

The third point is "Self" was there yesterday, and the same "self" is there today, and at night too "self" was there, then "Self" remains eternally and constantly. Others things do not remain constantly. They arise and perish in front of me. By giving them importance, I take their support, this is a mistake I am making. I know that these are the kind to rise and perish, how can they be my support? How can it be my refuge? When they are separate from me, what support can they give me,? They are all known to me. It is known that in deep sleep there was no knowledge. The knowledge that is there in waking and sleep state, is also known to me. I am the knower of all of these things. I the knower, am separate from all the things that are known. In this there is no doubt, is there? Therefore I am separate from all these. Become steady on this point. At day time, night time, morning-evening whenever you have time, then say that in fact I am not with them and they are not with me. I cannot stay with them even in deep sleep, then how can I stay with them after death? Then how can they stay with me forever ? Therefore, theirs and my relationship it not the kind that will stay forever. One must have first hand knowledge of this, isn't it?

If the attraction for the world does not go away, then do not be concerned, but you have the knowledge that you do not have an eternal relationship with it. There is no doubt in this knowledge. Grasp this point now. Whether attraction leaves or does not leave, do not worry about it, but I have no relationship with them. At first there was no relationship, and later on it will not remains. This is our own experience. The relationships that we have today in this life, with our family, house, money, things, did these relationship exist previously ? And will they remain in the future? Previously there was no relationship with us, later on we will have no relationship with them, and those relationships which are there at present, they too are coming to an end. These point appear to be good to me, therefore I repeat them time and again.

At least be attentive to the point that at birth the number of remaining years that we had to live, that many years are not there now, isn't it? Then the years remaining is reducing! Living is going towards dying, union is ending. At first the body was not there, later on it will not remain. Even at present though this body is there, there is constant separation taking place. You understand this don't you? Let the attraction and attachment not leave, but understand this point, that every moment there is separation taking place. The more firm you are on this "vivek" discrimination, that much it will aid you in leaving it. That which does not live with you forever, why to be attached to that thing? These things cannot stay with you, in this there is no doubt, is there? Therefore do not worry that this is not going away. But give weight to the point that in fact we are not with them and they are not with me. By simply accepting this, the relationship with the inert is severed. The relationship that appears to be solid at present and today you say that this is not going away, that inertness is cut off today. Stay firm and unshakable on this point, that this will not stay with us all the time, then what is the difficulty in getting rid of the sense of mine-ness (mamta) with it?

Questioner - How to stay firm and unshaken on this point?

Swamiji - Do not worry about that, reflect on it and stay firm on the point that this alone is true. We do not stay with it all the time. At first we were not with it, later on it will not remain and at present state too it is not staying, these are the three points. There is no doubt about this. Therefore honor this point, and realize its significance. Just as, if you even get ten rupees these days, then you honor it, if you get hundred rupees, then you honor it, but you cannot get this point even after giving lacs and crores of rupees. Can you get this point, with the power of money? Yes, if some wise scholar tells you, teaches you, but to understand properly, you cannot get it with the power of money. However much money you get, then too there cannot be satisfaction with money, there cannot be peace and on understanding this properly, one gets peace. If one gets nothing, then why would so many people, come so quickly to this forest? From this it is proven that you are gaining something or the other. This is a very unusual, an exceptional type of talk. Very few honor these talks, they do not give it much importance, this is where the mistake is.

Questioner - How can we get rid of this mistake?

Swamiji - From today onwards give importance to this point, that this is innate, and there is benefits that are seen at present. What gains or benefits are seen, is that previously when you used to lose something, then you would get extremely worried, isn't it? And now when such things get lost, then how much do you worry? If you weigh the two, then according to my understanding, you will come to know the difference. If there is a difference, then you have left that much at least. Then why do you say that you cannot get rid off it? Previously the way you would hold onto things, are you holding onto them as much now? Then it is surely going away! Yes ! It is not entirely gone away, that point is also true. Do not become contented with your progress, but how can you believe and think that it is not going away? Do not believe or accept that you are unable to let go of it, and also don't accept that it has gone away altogether, because it has not gone away altogether; but it is surely going away.

Understand this with absolute certainty that this is going to go away, because there is weakness in this relationship. Therefore it is the kind that will eventually end. If it was not the kind to end , then how would the hold on it be weakened? Gita says - "Naabhaavo vidyate satah". The real never ceases to exist, but the unreal is moving towards non-existence. If it is decreasing then it is moving towards non-existence, isn't it? Then one must get power from this that this is going to leave. If it was not the kind to leave, then why would it decrease? And if it has decreased then it will eventually go away. It will surely go away Where is the question of it staying! That which decreases will surely end. If it is diminishing, then it will also end. If its lifespan reduces then it will surely die, how can it continue to live?

We know how to attach and detach in relationships. We got into a relationship with mother - father, with wife and son, we continue to establish new worldly relationships, and relieve ourselves of older relationships, but our relationship with God is innate and natural. Our relationship with the world is not natural and innate. We get to know this from the scriptures and from the saints. If we experience this, then though our relationship with God is out of faith, as He is not seen, but worldly relationships are parting, this is most evidently seen, therefore one must not loose hope and strength that it does not leave. This is surely going away. Even if you do not leave it, then too it will part ways. However, if you don't leave it, and it leaves, then it can be held on to again, and if you leave it, then it will not be grasped again. Simply, do not accept that it does not go away. It is going away, accept this point from today onwards. Sentiments that it does not go away are not good, therefore accept that it is departing, and we are letting go. The satsang that we are doing right now, it is going away. All in all is coming to an end. Now who to love, who to keep, who to regard as our very own!

Rajjab roven kaun ko hase se kaun vichaar |

Gaye so aavanke nahi rahe so jaavan haar ||

This is all going away, remain firm on this point. Do not believe that it is not leaving, it is surely leaving right now, accept this. Why to believe the opposite point that it is not going away! Believe that it is going away !

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Questioner - However, this appears pleasing to us, Maharajji !

Swamiji - It appears pleasing, but it is going away. Do not be concerned about it, so be it! Do not be fearful that you find it pleasing. Stay firm on the point that this all is departing. Really speaking, though it is pleasant, but it is coming to an end. The inertness of it being pleasant will be rooted out. Yes! it feels good, but it will not remain.

This is such a great point! However pleasing that it may be, but it will not remain. Youthful years feel good, but they will not remain. Affinity with wife and son is pleasing, but it will not remain. That is all there is to it. Isn't this the truth?

Questioner - Yes Sir!

Swamiji - If it does not remain, then how can it be pleasing? That good feeling will become lesser and lesser. Now do not be concerned about this ! Our work is getting done, it is coming to an end!

Narayan ! Narayan !! Narayan !!!

From book in hindi "Bhagwat Praapti Sahaj Hai" by Swami Ramsukhdasji.

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